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Irrefutable Proof the Hague Court Cannot Legimimately Prosecute Karadzic Case

Seeded on Thu Jul 2, 2009 8:16 PM EDT
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I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 Preparatory Meetings to establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact caliber of criminal corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a perfectly viable topic of legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate trading verdicts AND judicial appointments, for monetary funding.

Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her country's proposal was not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in a particularly loud and noticably strongly vocal manner, "Spain (my country) strongly believes if we contribute most financial support to the Hague's highest court, that ought to give us and other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its decisions."

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*I am glad to continue receiving your latest news on the status conference in Beograd (!) I am all for closing down the Hague ASAP and rallying international support to do so. I still vividly remember whereby Spain was one of the most vocal countries in the ICC Prep Meetings in 2001 at the UN NYC: The lady representative from Spain wearing glasses with shortish i hair sat in the far corner at the table to my left arguing that Spain wanted to give the ICC more money to directly influence its "decisions over verdicts and judges," in particular...

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Either the ICTY has a strong case against these men, or not; you cannot have your cake and eat it too at the Hague (morally speaking). It is utterly oxymoran for the ICTY to officially acquit former Serbian President Milan Milutinovic as not guilty, but continue accusations against his five inferior Serbian officials such as, Nikola Šainović for the same offenses in Kosovo. The ICTY claims Nikola as being "one of the closest and most trusted associates of [Slobodan] Milošević," the former FRY President and "one of the most crucial members of that common [joint criminal] enterprise was a powerful official in the FRY Government, who not only relayed information to Milošević and conveyed Milošević's instructions to those in Kosovo, but also had a great deal of influence over events in the province and was empowered to make decisions," Judge Bonomy read. THIS LEGAL ARGUMENT IS ONE OF TE MOST RIDICULOUS I HAVE EVER READ WHILE STUDYING PREVENTING INTERNATONAL WAR CRIMES AT NYU WITH FORMER U.S. NUREMBERG PROSECUTOR AND MY FORMER PROFESSOR, BENJAMIN FERENCZ. I am morally shocked (but not surprised) the Obama administration and Richard Holbrook is not taking decisive action ensuring Dr Karadzic receives a fair trial at the Hague as this ideal is core to the high minded moral legalism of democratic liberal states such the UK and US. The ICTY previously stated (although those legal articles seemed to disappear lately) that Milutinovic neither gave nor possessed knowledge of any 'genocide' during the Kosovo War ( this is wherefore he was acquitted). THEREFORE, IF HE HAD NO CONNECTION TO ANY GENOCIDE AND WAS SERBIA'S FORMER PRESIDENT, THE OTHER 5 MEN SEEN ABOVE OUGHT TO BE ALSO ACQUITTED BECAUSE IT IS VERY REASONABLE TO BELIEVE THEY ALSO POSSESSED NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANY 'GENOCIDE' IF INDEED ANY TOOK PLACE AT ALL. As a personal eye witness observer of this case in so many relevant aspects, I have personal reasons for geuinely believing Dr Radovan Karadzic neither possessed knowledge, nor, gave any orders to commit war crimes in Srebrenica or elsewhere, including genocide. I have reasons to believe this is true. I read the charges against Nikola Sainovic have been downgraded and I am pleased with this and believe this is the correct move.

 

It is also common knowledge to those following these ICTY cases, the largest problem for the ICTY prosecution itself has been connecting/proving the persons accused, possessed knowledge and gave genocidal orders in sync with some so- called overall 'state plan' of Serbia to systemically carry out genocide generally speaking. There is a mountain of evidence setting legal precedent & proof sitting around at the ICTY already indicating very often during both the Bosnia and Kosovo wars, the left hand did not know what the right was ordering and/or doing. In other words, Slobodan Milosevic often gave orders that others in his cabinet was not aware of, EVERYONE KNOWS NUREMERG WAS ABOUT PLACING THE HIGHEST UP NAZIS ON TRIAL TO SET LEGAL STANDING TO PROSECUTE THEIR INFERIORS AND NOT THE INVERSE AS THE HAGUE/ICTY IS DOING!

    Reply#1 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:21 PM EDT
    Jill Starr

    War crimes tribunals are only as effective as they are true tools of international social justice for bearing genuine historical record. In the case of Dr Karadzic currently in the Hague, my eye witness testimony proves the Hague was never a true tool of international social justice from its very conceptions/construction phase. This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges against Dr karadzic and others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not. If American criminal Madoff stood in front of court that was as seriously corrupted, flawed and compromised as the Hague, he would have to be acquitted or transferred to another court. Unfortunately for the United Nations member states instituting the ICC housed at the Hague, in Karadzic and other Hague case, there is no other international court capable; even if there was, the same United Nations member states that spoke about trading judicial appointments and verdicts for funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings at the UN in Manhattan would be morally incapable of constructing another court to hear cases. My suggestion is to transfer immediately Dr Karadzic and others awaiting trial at the Hague back to Serbia and their respective countries to decide how to proceed next.

      Reply#2 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:22 PM EDT
      Jill Starr

      And close the Hague down since it has almost reached its ’term limits.”

      They can bow out with a touch of graceful diplomacy.

        Reply#3 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 5:26 PM EDT
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